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cliff negotiations. but the white house clearly wants to have the business community in this country on their side politically. they view them as a potential ally in this putting pressure on capitol hill, republicans in particular, to move something over the weekend. but we're running out of time here. if they're back in town at 6:30 on monday -- on sunday, rather, that gives them sunday night and monday to try to pass something, not a lot of time in washington terms. >> okay, eamon javers, thanks so much for keeping us updated. let's bring in the rest of the options action crew and talk about the markets. mike not very good action today. closing at session lows and futures look to be rough on monday as well. >> yeah, it's interesting, when they filed out of the white house, this was post close, if you're looking at the mini futures, they dropped by about ten handles off that. a lot of disappointment among the futures markets at what isn't going on there. i think there's good reason for that, but it's ha
cliff negotiations. but the white house clearly wants to have the business community in this country on their side politically. they view them as a potential ally in this putting pressure on capitol hill, republicans in particular, to move something over the weekend. but we're running out of time here. if they're back in town at 6:30 on monday -- on sunday, rather, that gives them sunday night and monday to try to pass something, not a lot of time in washington terms. >> okay, eamon...
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we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both, and the president has to lead it. if he does, i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> so, mandy, a lot of different proposals floating around here in washington. a lot of ideas. a lot of attempts to read the minds of those key people in the room. >> eamon, is it true that some senators have left the boat and are fishing on their own for a deal? >> yeah. there are a couple of different proposals floating around out there now. you always have it in the senate, gangs of two, three, four, five senators put out their own ideas. at this late hour what the markets should focus on are the five leaders and the president that will be in that room. anything coming from any other senator is probably not fully baked enough to get through here at this point. it has to come from the leadership. >> eamon, thank you very much. appreciate it. >>> higher taxes is part of the cliff story. our next guest says there are other concerns that go
we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both, and the president has to lead it. if he does, i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> so, mandy, a lot of different proposals floating around here in washington. a lot of ideas. a lot of attempts to read the minds of those key people in the room. >> eamon, is it true that some senators have left the boat and are...
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on the fiscal cliff. republicans have been resisting that by announcing the debt ceiling limit will be held on monday, ratchets up the pressure to include the debt ceiling piece in the final package, whatever that may be, but still not clear, carl, there is going to be a final package of any kind. one quick note, we saw the realism. pact in the real world of the debt situation. treasury announcing yesterday it has suspended the sale of state and local government securities, government series securities. so already, they are doing some maneuvering here financially to try to avoid that debtly limit. the treasury secretary says he doesn't know how much wiggle room they are going to have, given that all the fiscal cliff uncertainty is out there. >> eamon, on this idea that the house members get called back with 48 hours' notice. traders are looking for that headline if it happens almost that bleed out there or procedural moment where that is announced, so to speak? >> a good question. i have been in touch wit
on the fiscal cliff. republicans have been resisting that by announcing the debt ceiling limit will be held on monday, ratchets up the pressure to include the debt ceiling piece in the final package, whatever that may be, but still not clear, carl, there is going to be a final package of any kind. one quick note, we saw the realism. pact in the real world of the debt situation. treasury announcing yesterday it has suspended the sale of state and local government securities, government series...
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that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. >>> good morning. we're live at the new york stock exchange. of course the moment we've been waiting for, the senate reconvening as we speak. 11:00 a.m. eastern time. we are waiting to see whether any progress has been made between republican senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. john harwood has told us they have not only had constructive talks, but talked past midnight, at 6:30 a.m. this morning. markets reacting quite like this, the dow down about 12 points, s&p positive by about three, and the nasdaq up about 15. meantime in hong kong, they are already celebrating the new year. this is a live picture of what's happening on the other side of the planet and that scene will be a lot more familiar to those on the east coast in just a few hours time. meantime just a few hours to go, still no deal on the fiscal cliff. how are the markets going to be impacted heading into the new year? head of research joining us from new york, andrew, happy new year to you. all kinds of predictions becaus
that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. >>> good morning. we're live at the new york stock exchange. of course the moment we've been waiting for, the senate reconvening as we speak. 11:00 a.m. eastern time. we are waiting to see whether any progress has been made between republican senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. john harwood has told us they have not only had constructive talks, but talked past midnight, at 6:30 a.m. this...
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. >>> fiscal cliff talks heading into the 11th hour. >> u.s. economy is at stake here. >> you cannot pass a bill with just republicans. on a broad thing like this, you need both. >> but will anyone rise above and get it done? a debate from both sides of the aisle. plus guest host jason trennert on the impact for the markets. >> the final details on retail. the winners and losers as last-minute shoppers make one final rush to get the latest deals. >> i got it. i got it. >> the second hour of "squawk box" starts right now. ♪ chestnuts roasting on an open fire. jack frast nipping at your nose. yuletide carols -- >> good morning. welcome to "squawk box" on cnbc. >> love that sweater. that's unbelievable. we've got to fade in and out between the fire and that sweater. >> that's joe kernen, i'm andrew ross sorkin. becky quick is probably happily off at this point. in studios with his,000s on the market and the fiscal cliff this morning, jason trennert. >> that tie. >> he's got the red tie. >> santa tie. >> take a look at the futures, see how this h
. >>> fiscal cliff talks heading into the 11th hour. >> u.s. economy is at stake here. >> you cannot pass a bill with just republicans. on a broad thing like this, you need both. >> but will anyone rise above and get it done? a debate from both sides of the aisle. plus guest host jason trennert on the impact for the markets. >> the final details on retail. the winners and losers as last-minute shoppers make one final rush to get the latest deals. >> i got...
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we're actually over the fiscal cliff. so, now it's up to the republican-controlled house to pull us back. here's what happened while you were sleeping, or sleeping or dg else. a deal crafted by vice president joe biden and minority leader mitch mcconnell passed the senate by a margin of 89-8. that vote wrapped up after 2:00 a.m. eastern time. the house takes up this plan later on this morning. no telling on how that will turn out if the house approves, the deal will estimate a generated $600 billion over the next ten years this is how senate leaders of both sides of the aisle are assessing the measure. >> i have said all along, the most important priority is protecting middle class families. >> this suhouldn't be the model for how we do things. but we can say we've done some good for the country. >> bush era tax cuts will remain in place for individuals earning less than 400,000, couples earning less than 450,000. unemployment benefits for 2 million americans would be extended for a year. the alternative minimum tax perma
we're actually over the fiscal cliff. so, now it's up to the republican-controlled house to pull us back. here's what happened while you were sleeping, or sleeping or dg else. a deal crafted by vice president joe biden and minority leader mitch mcconnell passed the senate by a margin of 89-8. that vote wrapped up after 2:00 a.m. eastern time. the house takes up this plan later on this morning. no telling on how that will turn out if the house approves, the deal will estimate a generated $600...
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>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the managing editor of the online journal the hill. and, so, bob what is the latest word you have as to what is going on and whether in fact john boehner can get his people together to vote for this? >> well, it is going to be very difficult. house republicans don't like the senate passed bill, even though it passed 89-8. it looks like the house will pass something to return it back to the senate. they'll amend it in some way, it looks like, because they don't like this $4 trillion price tag that just came out over the last ten minutes, cbo just released that. and this is just a tough vote for house conserva
>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the...
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the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house republican leaders are still huddling but they announced that they are going to call republicans back together. perhaps that is because they have an idea of the the game plan that they want to pursue after they heard for about an hour and a half this afternoon from their rank and file by all accounts there certainly is a lot of interpret pi dags and voting to simply approve what the senate passed last night not only overwhelmingly, 90% of the senate voted for it, but it passed overwhelmingly among the fellow republicans. again, the percentage is about 90% of senate republicans voted in favor of t
the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house...
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cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's going to be, as they say here, they're going to get stuck with this bill and they're not going to have any other choice but to bring it up and probably pass it. >> can we assume, dana, that the senators, maybe even the vice president, will emerge from the meeting that is under way right now and come to the microphones that are near you? >> i would love to say yes, but we're getting some signals from democratic leadership sources that harry reid will probably not come and talk to us. however, i have seen this movie before. we're told that h
cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's...
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don't they have to get past a few issues before they can start reshaping themselves and fiscal cliff? >> this is, they're going to have to figure out where they are on taxes and figure out where they are on immigration. i think if you look at those two issues, you're going to figure out what direction the republicans have, if they have decided to take one. >> karen, thank you. jerry, jessica, matt, thanks, you guys, for being here. >>> when we return, the politics of procrastination. this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. [ male announcer ] when diarrhea hits, kaopectate stops it fast. powerful liquid relief speeds to the source. fast. [ male announcer ] stop the uh-oh fast with kaopectate. >>> for all we don't know about what a final fiscal cliff bill will look like, we do know it will be minimalist and not address
don't they have to get past a few issues before they can start reshaping themselves and fiscal cliff? >> this is, they're going to have to figure out where they are on taxes and figure out where they are on immigration. i think if you look at those two issues, you're going to figure out what direction the republicans have, if they have decided to take one. >> karen, thank you. jerry, jessica, matt, thanks, you guys, for being here. >>> when we return, the politics of...
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reform and tax reform and avoiding the fiscal cliff. it's a reminder of the division and disfunction in d.c. the crippling disconnect from the common sense concerns of the american public. piers morgan is next. and one more thing...hurry. get a focus with 2000 cash plus 500 year end bonus cash with no charge sync and sound during the final hundred hours of the ford year end celebration. only at your local ford dealer. has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! what's the rush? it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalr
reform and tax reform and avoiding the fiscal cliff. it's a reminder of the division and disfunction in d.c. the crippling disconnect from the common sense concerns of the american public. piers morgan is next. and one more thing...hurry. get a focus with 2000 cash plus 500 year end bonus cash with no charge sync and sound during the final hundred hours of the ford year end celebration. only at your local ford dealer. has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow....
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when you look at the fiscal cliff if you think the deficit is the problem, going over the cliff addresses that problem in a big way. >> saying no deal's better than a bad deal. >> once we go over the cliff and i come to the belief we are, we're going to all be asking for a parachute. the markets are going to go to hell in a hand basket and people are going to start screaming bloody murder. >> if the idea that the deficit is the problem, that will be addressed by going over the fiscal cliff. i happen not to think that the deficit is the main problem but it calls people's bluff. >> how in the world is it we can tell our children, you can't give your way up everything, so you and your brother and sister, you better figure it out. it works with my nieces and nephews, but for some reason, if it works in congress, it's a mushy deal or really isn't going to work. i'm sorry, folks, if it works for children. it can work with congress. >> stop the sand box politics. i couldn't agree more. we heard one congressman at the top of the show saying they shouldn't have gone home at christmas. do you think
when you look at the fiscal cliff if you think the deficit is the problem, going over the cliff addresses that problem in a big way. >> saying no deal's better than a bad deal. >> once we go over the cliff and i come to the belief we are, we're going to all be asking for a parachute. the markets are going to go to hell in a hand basket and people are going to start screaming bloody murder. >> if the idea that the deficit is the problem, that will be addressed by going over the...
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public posturing, ahead of the fiscal cliff. obviously in case we go over it. listen to senate majority leader harry reid, yesterday. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything that senate democrats put forward, just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> house speaker boehner sort of fired back on a conference call, alina, saying reid should do less talking and more legislating and the house now is set to return to washington on sunday. but that's cutting pretty close, as you can imagine, because we go over the fiscal cliff as of monday night without a deal. so pretty tight timeline there. >> what is the thinking at this point, dana bash, that most congressional leaders feel like going over the cliff, whether they will say it publicly is one thing, but going over the cliff might be better, because on the other end
public posturing, ahead of the fiscal cliff. obviously in case we go over it. listen to senate majority leader harry reid, yesterday. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything that senate democrats put forward, just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they...
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democrats would point the finger at republicans for going over the fiscal cliff. >> that's been going on for a while as you well know, brianna, and as the president cuts his vacation short, we know what that means, are you cutting your working vacation short. >> i'll be back soon to see you. >> listening to those beautiful waves behind brianna. >> thank you. >> from brianna to rihanna, ahead on "starting point." rihanna and chris brown. what looks like more proof these two are back together again. >> a story trdrew has been watching very, very closely. >> you're watching "starting point" back after this. learnin, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. it's another reason more investors are saying... a hybrid? most are just no fun to drive. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-p
democrats would point the finger at republicans for going over the fiscal cliff. >> that's been going on for a while as you well know, brianna, and as the president cuts his vacation short, we know what that means, are you cutting your working vacation short. >> i'll be back soon to see you. >> listening to those beautiful waves behind brianna. >> thank you. >> from brianna to rihanna, ahead on "starting point." rihanna and chris brown. what looks like...
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. >> lisa jackson, if republicans have their way in the fiscal cliff conversation, they get rid of the epa. they talk about the cannot of education, the department of agency and epa waste of money. >> cost too much, all about regulations. are you one of the few people employed to this organization who has been to north korea. >> twice. i hope to go back again soon. >>> just ahead, a warning to democrats from republicans, they will not write a blank check to solve the fiscal cliff. reaction from debbie snab now of michigan, next. >>> plus, the best selling river of "gone baby gone" and mystic river" has a new crime to solve. where is his dog? dennis lahane is asking for help finding his dog tessa. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly da
. >> lisa jackson, if republicans have their way in the fiscal cliff conversation, they get rid of the epa. they talk about the cannot of education, the department of agency and epa waste of money. >> cost too much, all about regulations. are you one of the few people employed to this organization who has been to north korea. >> twice. i hope to go back again soon. >>> just ahead, a warning to democrats from republicans, they will not write a blank check to solve the...
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>> reporter: ne met inside the oval office to avoid plunging over the fiscal cliff. if they agree to a plan, each of these players has a role. senate majority leader harry reid quickly moved the measure to a vote. minority leader mch mcconnell assured that no republicans block the bill. house speaker john boehner agreed to bring the bill to a vote on the house floor. and leader nancy pelosi with the number of votes needed to pass. >> what folks are looking for and all of us agree on this is action. they want to see that we are focused on them, not focused on our politics here in washington. >> reporter: that was the last time this group met more than a month ago. with time running out to forge a scaled-down compromise, can they agree on even the most basic elements, extending some income tax cuts, preventing pay cuts to medicare providers, fixing the alternative minimum tax. among the options to gain votes, averting an estate tax hike toll woo republicans. there's still time but no room for error. if congress doesn't act -- >> the impact psychologically and financial
>> reporter: ne met inside the oval office to avoid plunging over the fiscal cliff. if they agree to a plan, each of these players has a role. senate majority leader harry reid quickly moved the measure to a vote. minority leader mch mcconnell assured that no republicans block the bill. house speaker john boehner agreed to bring the bill to a vote on the house floor. and leader nancy pelosi with the number of votes needed to pass. >> what folks are looking for and all of us agree on...
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the first step in the fiscal cliff ought to be a republican discussion about what they were and were not willing to do. that did that seem to take place until earlier this week. the conversation was inconclusive. the one thing that has not happened yet, democrats have provided the votes on a lot of budget-related matters over the years but it was only after the tea party gave boehner permission to negotiate with the democrats -- those circumstances have to happen. we see you pushed as hard as you could. we now need to get something done. we're going to vote against this but work with the democrats. host: we have spoken to a number of republicans who say that the problem is spending. the government needs to cut spending. that is where we need to go in terms of reducing the deficit. guest: that is true, we need to cut spending, but there is some conflicting other couple issues. we to cut long-term spending on retirement programs to make them more in line with economic growth, not make them grow that much more quickly than economic growth. all the things that the republican house has pa
the first step in the fiscal cliff ought to be a republican discussion about what they were and were not willing to do. that did that seem to take place until earlier this week. the conversation was inconclusive. the one thing that has not happened yet, democrats have provided the votes on a lot of budget-related matters over the years but it was only after the tea party gave boehner permission to negotiate with the democrats -- those circumstances have to happen. we see you pushed as hard as...
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the back for avoiding the fiscal cliff. much't know how congratulation we ought to have for that. yesterday i was buying some groceries, and the guy at the checkout stand had no idea who i was, and should not have. he said, what is going on on capitol hill? what are those people doing? we ought to fire everybody in congress. they cannot get their work done. we have to get our work done. they don't have to get their work done. he made a good point. it is down to the level of gross restore check out people, and i suspect other levels than that. people are tuned into the news media or entertainment media. they call it the fiscal cliff, so that it appears to be in niagara falls with money running over it. more of a gradual slope, but we have to stop this downward slope that we are on. it is important that we do that. this is the body that can do that. congress can do that. we do a war of words around here, this protecting the ridgc. h the problem goes into the definition of rich, and that is a hard one to explain. any attempt t
the back for avoiding the fiscal cliff. much't know how congratulation we ought to have for that. yesterday i was buying some groceries, and the guy at the checkout stand had no idea who i was, and should not have. he said, what is going on on capitol hill? what are those people doing? we ought to fire everybody in congress. they cannot get their work done. we have to get our work done. they don't have to get their work done. he made a good point. it is down to the level of gross restore check...
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people are ready to blame republicans for the problem if we go over the fiscal cliff. they are holding out for keeping tax rates down where the public has said tax rates should go up. way back before 2010, the public was saying it. there also behind in the image perspective. they are seen as the party of extremism and the summer of 2011 -- the summer did not engage deeply with the policy debates. they sniff out very early on -- the public of more sophisticated than some people think. there were no merits being used to make other political argument and people were very frustrated about that. nobody came of that debate looking good. that is when we started to see a wider opening in the gap of the leaders of the two political parties and the republican party has not overcome that image. they're playing a very similar strategy. >> how do you factor into your polls what the political workers call from game? you have to attribute that to get out the vote efforts. do you try to factor is that in before? >> it is one of the challenges. campaigns are using technology -- there i
people are ready to blame republicans for the problem if we go over the fiscal cliff. they are holding out for keeping tax rates down where the public has said tax rates should go up. way back before 2010, the public was saying it. there also behind in the image perspective. they are seen as the party of extremism and the summer of 2011 -- the summer did not engage deeply with the policy debates. they sniff out very early on -- the public of more sophisticated than some people think. there were...
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on thist your take fiscal cliff deal. david in louisiana, republican caller. caller: i feel this bill is not really accomplishing anything. if we keep ignoring what we are doing with the tax dollars, iciest of money going to refuse -- i see this money going to a very few states and individuals. it is not stimulating manufacturing here. we are buying chinese solar panels and trying to offset that by putting tariffs on imports. it is a big joke. i'm not speaking just on the federal approval. that is just one example. we've got to have oversight and planning. we've got to do something that will not have long-range negative impacts. we've got to control spending. it is not a democrat or republican gain. we have to be realistic about what we are spending our money on. host: marla in missouri. go ahead. caller: a couple of things. the last few callers are right. it is not a democrat or republican. it is the whole cabinet. the thing that gets me is that ronald reagan did are all the money from social security. i am one of those people. i'm also on social security now
on thist your take fiscal cliff deal. david in louisiana, republican caller. caller: i feel this bill is not really accomplishing anything. if we keep ignoring what we are doing with the tax dollars, iciest of money going to refuse -- i see this money going to a very few states and individuals. it is not stimulating manufacturing here. we are buying chinese solar panels and trying to offset that by putting tariffs on imports. it is a big joke. i'm not speaking just on the federal approval. that...
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caller: yes, i am glad to something being done about the fiscal cliff. the american people need to understand that the republicans put us in this situation, because when bill clinton left office, he left with a surplus. the republicans spent all the money. we went into recession. then president obama came on scene, and he brought us out of the recession, and it takes money to get out of recession. now they are trying to blame him for all of the spending. mitch mcconnell, he is a disgrace to the senate floor. he said he one of the president to be a one-term president. the people voted obama back in. host: the minority leader, mitch mcconnell, has been negotiating with the vice president joe biden to come to some sort of agreement. what you make of that? caller: i'm talking about what mitch mcconnell said in the beginning. he did not want to work with this president. the want it to see him fail. they're hurting the american people by not helping obama. obama is good for the country, but people that listen to rush limbaugh, sarah palin, and fox news, that i
caller: yes, i am glad to something being done about the fiscal cliff. the american people need to understand that the republicans put us in this situation, because when bill clinton left office, he left with a surplus. the republicans spent all the money. we went into recession. then president obama came on scene, and he brought us out of the recession, and it takes money to get out of recession. now they are trying to blame him for all of the spending. mitch mcconnell, he is a disgrace to the...
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caller: i really don't see much on the fiscal cliff. if they make a deal, either way they go, it will hurt. by the time 2014 gets here and when obamacare kicks in, it will cost me so much that i will have to quit work. it will be worth more for me to be on welfare than to keep working and just working for nothing but health care. host: we will get a response. guest: this is something a lot of people are waiting to see what the impact of that law is going to have. a lot of that, the major provisions don't kick in until now and in the next few years. everyone will wait to see what the impact on the economy will be. there's a big disagreement about what will happen. host: this new york times piece gives a sense of the mood in washington. let's read the first paragraph or two. guest: this is only the fourth time since the 1930's they have had to come back after christmas to do work. this is uncharted territory. no one really wanted to be in a situation, but it was a factor of them having to wait until after the election to start negotiating
caller: i really don't see much on the fiscal cliff. if they make a deal, either way they go, it will hurt. by the time 2014 gets here and when obamacare kicks in, it will cost me so much that i will have to quit work. it will be worth more for me to be on welfare than to keep working and just working for nothing but health care. host: we will get a response. guest: this is something a lot of people are waiting to see what the impact of that law is going to have. a lot of that, the major...
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bronx.tart out with the what do you think about the fiscal cliff? caller: i am happy to show those guys who are supposed to be our leaders so everybody can see. all these guys are working for their rich donors who basically run the whole campaign during the regular year to make sure that they are funded, and they are going to go to bat for the rich donors who take care, not the middle class, not the working class people. host: appreciate your call. richard calling in our online for republicans from colorado. what do you think? caller: 84 allowing me the opportunity to speak. i understand there are some very good and honest people in congress working to try to solve our problems. it appears the two-party system does not work effectively. for decades, we continue to see gridlock and that thing is ever accomplished trick as returned -- retired veteran, i am worried about my veterans benefits being caught on the meager pay i receipt, and the seniors who scrape by with that in cup they get them and we have the budget and make sure we stay within our mean
bronx.tart out with the what do you think about the fiscal cliff? caller: i am happy to show those guys who are supposed to be our leaders so everybody can see. all these guys are working for their rich donors who basically run the whole campaign during the regular year to make sure that they are funded, and they are going to go to bat for the rich donors who take care, not the middle class, not the working class people. host: appreciate your call. richard calling in our online for republicans...
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of debate on the fiscal cliff. the house should have passed a bill saying you cannot use money for medicare to finance obamacare. the plan to finance obamacare and the house should have passed a bill on that. or how about passing a bill that any reform of entitlements -- medicare and social security -- cannot involve taking away benefits from those on the system today and those about to go on the system. you can make good reforms to young people. they should have passed a tax simplification bill. host: next call comes from john in pennsylvania, republican line. caller: good morning. president eisenhower, the rate for the top taxpayers never went below 91%. now we cannot seem to get it up to 39%. in 2001, we had the largest budget surplus ever. 10 years later it would have the largest deficit ever. in 2001, we had $5 trillion in debt. we gained $10 trillion in debt in less than 10 years. $5 trillion was because of the bush tax cuts. guest: there were numerous tax shelters back then that were finally removed from the
of debate on the fiscal cliff. the house should have passed a bill saying you cannot use money for medicare to finance obamacare. the plan to finance obamacare and the house should have passed a bill on that. or how about passing a bill that any reform of entitlements -- medicare and social security -- cannot involve taking away benefits from those on the system today and those about to go on the system. you can make good reforms to young people. they should have passed a tax simplification...
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fiscal cliff. halting base spending is what's going to stop it. end of editorial. over the past year, house republicans have passed effective bipartisan legislation to prevent the entire fiscal cliff. unfortunately, these bills remain stalled in the senate graveyard. this fact makes it very clear that house republicans have addressed this issue and speaker john boehner is holding firm for fiscal responsibility. with only a few hours to go, it's my hope that the senate will accept one of our proposals and send legislation back to the house that will attempt to tackle out-of-control spending, extend tax cuts for all americans and preventing the devastating defense cuts before it's too late and hundreds of thousands of jobs are destroyed. in conclusion, god bless our troops and we will never forget september 11 and the global war on terrorism. congratulations, jay pierson, for your years of service. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from ohi
fiscal cliff. halting base spending is what's going to stop it. end of editorial. over the past year, house republicans have passed effective bipartisan legislation to prevent the entire fiscal cliff. unfortunately, these bills remain stalled in the senate graveyard. this fact makes it very clear that house republicans have addressed this issue and speaker john boehner is holding firm for fiscal responsibility. with only a few hours to go, it's my hope that the senate will accept one of our...
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democrats currenting meeting with vice president joe bide inon the fiscal cliff which the president and the republicans would agree to. it would include a return to clinton era tax rates for people make mrg than $450. that rate would go to 39.6%. the agreement also includes a postponement of the sequester spending cuts. how long that is, the postponement we're not quite sure that point as details trickle out from these meetings and from the reporters as lawmakers decide how to deal with these issues, we'll continue to have more live updates here on the c-span networks. next, a discussion on innovation and technology that could impact the health care industry. we go back to the world in 2013 festival. it's hosted by the economist. and this is 30 minutes. >> thank you. i have the pleasure of talking about health care in 2013. 2013 is going to be a big year for health care. there's an enormous amount of exciting research both in mobile health and in personalized medicine. at the same time the affordable care act is continuing its torturous imply mentation as 2014 the big year when medicaid
democrats currenting meeting with vice president joe bide inon the fiscal cliff which the president and the republicans would agree to. it would include a return to clinton era tax rates for people make mrg than $450. that rate would go to 39.6%. the agreement also includes a postponement of the sequester spending cuts. how long that is, the postponement we're not quite sure that point as details trickle out from these meetings and from the reporters as lawmakers decide how to deal with these...
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after that summer undertaken to the brink of a fiscal cliff, the thinking on the house republican leader ship is maybe a tea party freshmen will go homehome, get yelled at by constituents and realize maybe compromise is not such a bad thing. they went home and the people who put at town halls tend to be that this is their party and those people tend to be tea party and they said why did video? you said you would not under any circumstances raise the debt ceiling. at best there's mixed messages and a great likelihood it will be a while before we see moderation. >> is this for the leadership looks at the freshman, many of them second term members of congress and think if only we could control them. isn't the case for leadership as it is out of sync or is the leadership secretly happy that freshmen are getting the blame or credit for doing the dirty work they probably politically would not be what to do as leaders of the house? been the leadership is happy. they are happy that they are empowered. i suspect they wake up screaming because they don't have control. they leadership are referred
after that summer undertaken to the brink of a fiscal cliff, the thinking on the house republican leader ship is maybe a tea party freshmen will go homehome, get yelled at by constituents and realize maybe compromise is not such a bad thing. they went home and the people who put at town halls tend to be that this is their party and those people tend to be tea party and they said why did video? you said you would not under any circumstances raise the debt ceiling. at best there's mixed messages...
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[laughter] so let me start with the fiscal cliff idea and say there is no fiscal cliff. let me say second act conservatives and republicans -- about conservatives and republicans who are demoralized, get over it. we had a bad election. we did a number of stupid things. we faced an opponent who worked harder than we did, did some clever things. ronald reagan, one of his most important single statements is february 1975 in washington at the conservative political action committee meetingment now, i was part of this. i ran in '74. i've had no sense of timing. so i picked watergate to run in. [laughter] i'm in georgia. i'm a yankee-born army brat with a strange accent, a weird name running as a republican during watergate. this was beyond not clever. [laughter] this was like, you know, don't give him money, pay for the therapy. [laughter] in december of 1974 republican party id was at 17%, and there was serious talk about is the party going to disappear and be replaced. now, it was nonsenses, but it was serious talk , and i was part of the group doing serious, in-depth analy
[laughter] so let me start with the fiscal cliff idea and say there is no fiscal cliff. let me say second act conservatives and republicans -- about conservatives and republicans who are demoralized, get over it. we had a bad election. we did a number of stupid things. we faced an opponent who worked harder than we did, did some clever things. ronald reagan, one of his most important single statements is february 1975 in washington at the conservative political action committee meetingment now,...
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congress and the president would come to an agreement this weekend preventing the fiscal cliff. senator bob corker also spoke to reporters. >> good morning. i am lamar alexander. this is my colleague bob corker. merry christmas to you three points to make and then i would like to introduce cementer corker. here is the first point. when the dust settles and everything is said and done, federal individual income taxes are not going to go up on almost all americans next year. that needs to be settled this weekend by the votes and after the first of the year, so that's the most important point for americans to know. for almost all americans when the dust settles taxes, individual income taxes won't be going up next year. all the talk is about taxes but what we should talk about today is the medicare fiscal clef, the looming bankruptcy in the program that seniors depend upon to pay the medical bills for the millions of americans who are counting the days until they are eligible for medicare so they can afford the medicare bill, it would be a tragedy if when they get to that day there
congress and the president would come to an agreement this weekend preventing the fiscal cliff. senator bob corker also spoke to reporters. >> good morning. i am lamar alexander. this is my colleague bob corker. merry christmas to you three points to make and then i would like to introduce cementer corker. here is the first point. when the dust settles and everything is said and done, federal individual income taxes are not going to go up on almost all americans next year. that needs to...
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we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand over the fiscal cliff, or our republican colleagues can help lead us off that cliff. hope that is not the case. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in essence telling you what is going on over there because you have to count heads with them as well? >> and not stipulating to any characterization of any information we received. [laughter] i really have no ideas. >> getting them to try to prove this, what are you hearing from the other side, anything? >> what your question is better addressed to the republicans coming out of their conference. we just came out of hours and we know what you tell us as to what is coming out of their caucus. >> we have not had an opportunity to talk to the leadership at this point. >> you have said you preferred a straight up or down vote, is that because of the time were that because of the vice president? >> it was a bill passed in the united states senate 89-8. tell me when you have had that on a measure as controversial as this. >> they had troubles with that one almost to
we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand over the fiscal cliff, or our republican colleagues can help lead us off that cliff. hope that is not the case. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in essence telling you what is going on over there because you have to count heads with them as well? >> and not stipulating to any characterization of any information we received. [laughter] i really have no ideas. >> getting them to try to prove...
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asking for, if there is any hope of averting the fiscal cliff. shibani? shibani: thanks very much, rich. we're also learning house speaker bain are is not in fact returning to the capitol. leaving the ball in the senate's court. if we do get any sort of statement out of any senators that were involved we'll of course bring that to you. david: well the president is always talking about math and it is just a matter of simple math things don't add up. well, he is right. increase of expenditures in his administration has gone up 25% from his predecessor. if we can put up the figure, the full screen that we have showing that. in 2008 we spent about $2983 -- $2.98 trillion. that went up as you can see in the next year primarily because of the extra spending with the stimulus program but it didn't really slow down. it just kept up at the increased level. how is the president going to get the money to fund his new spending? that's a question that our next guest has been thinking long and hard about. he is thomas fanning, chairman, ceo and president of so
asking for, if there is any hope of averting the fiscal cliff. shibani? shibani: thanks very much, rich. we're also learning house speaker bain are is not in fact returning to the capitol. leaving the ball in the senate's court. if we do get any sort of statement out of any senators that were involved we'll of course bring that to you. david: well the president is always talking about math and it is just a matter of simple math things don't add up. well, he is right. increase of expenditures in...
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we believe the president does want to go over the fiscal cliff. >> boehner will be in the situation, do i get democratic votes. >> this is about the little guy on the street said that the republican people are losing. the american people are losing even more. david: are we going to go into a recession if we go off the cliff? you think we will be back i am not so sure about it. if you will cut spending, that is the issue. would we go into recession if we go over the cliff and they do not restore the spending cuts?
we believe the president does want to go over the fiscal cliff. >> boehner will be in the situation, do i get democratic votes. >> this is about the little guy on the street said that the republican people are losing. the american people are losing even more. david: are we going to go into a recession if we go off the cliff? you think we will be back i am not so sure about it. if you will cut spending, that is the issue. would we go into recession if we go over the cliff and they do...
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this beakers failure to win republican support in the house for his plan the proposal on the fiscal cliff has embarrassed the speaker, but the speaker's failure means a solution to the fiscal cliff is, if they're going to be one, now resting squarely upon president obama. arsine to be vacationing president alone cannot propose legislation that wins majority support in both the house and senate, and the decision to go over the fiscal cliff now depends on his ability to successfulully negotiate and to forge a compromise that appeals to both republicans and the far left in mr. obama's party. the president met with senate majority leader harry reid this afternoon and talked with speaker boehner to begin anew that eort to reach compromise. >> averting this middle-class tax hike is not a democratic responsibility or republican responsibility. with their foes the american people have determined that governing is a shared responsibility between both parties in this congress laws can only pass with support from democrats and republicans, and that means nobody gets 100 percent of what they want. lo
this beakers failure to win republican support in the house for his plan the proposal on the fiscal cliff has embarrassed the speaker, but the speaker's failure means a solution to the fiscal cliff is, if they're going to be one, now resting squarely upon president obama. arsine to be vacationing president alone cannot propose legislation that wins majority support in both the house and senate, and the decision to go over the fiscal cliff now depends on his ability to successfulully negotiate...
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>> republicans anticipating or expecting president obama and democrats to offer a fiscal cliff deal, perhaps a scaled back proposal, but, still, no indication that's going to happen this afternoon. the senate is in session. the house returns sunday. they will take a vote sunday night on another piece of legislation. the senate has been working on other legislation, not related to the fiscal cliff, and that has some folks in washington speculating this afternoon's meeting in the white house is nothing but show. the one senior democrat says it is a serious effort. >> well, this is not for show, but a last ditch effort by the president to bring the congressional leaders together to try to get at least a small package, small deal together before the new year to avoid some of the tax parts of the fiscal cliff and the deal with some of the unemployment issues. >> now, that deal, the small deal that the congressman is talking about, speculation perhaps that includes a tax rate tax increase for families earning $500,000 a year, mid way point almost between what democrats and republicans had
>> republicans anticipating or expecting president obama and democrats to offer a fiscal cliff deal, perhaps a scaled back proposal, but, still, no indication that's going to happen this afternoon. the senate is in session. the house returns sunday. they will take a vote sunday night on another piece of legislation. the senate has been working on other legislation, not related to the fiscal cliff, and that has some folks in washington speculating this afternoon's meeting in the white...
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policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as ever. revenues have been going up. >> in recent memory. >> for decades. >> president obama has presided over the lowest tax rate in mod hern history and decades. we're trying to role back taxes for people making over $250,000 a year. what john boehner is doing by letting us go off the fiscal cliff is raising every american's income taxes in about a week by not negotiating with the white house. he -- he's in a awkward position, he can't even get his own party to back his own republican proposals, so what we're seeing is congressmen and c
policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as...
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we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand, to avert the fiscal cliff or our republican colleagues could help lead us off that cliff. we hope that's not the case. >> questions? >> if i can ask -- >> i think you were first. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in a sense telling you how it is going over there? you have to count heads with them as well. >> i am not stipulating to any charktization to any information we receive from our friends in the press. i really have no idea. >> -- to try to prove this. what are you hearing from the other side? >> i think your question is better addressed to the republicans coming out of their conference. we just came out of ours, and we know what you tell us as to what is coming out of theirs. >> we haven't had an opportunity to talk to their leadership at this point in time. >> you said a moment ago you would prefer a straight up or down vote on that. >> absolutely. >> is that because of the time, or is that because it is a deal brokered by the vice president? >> no, it was a bill that was passed in the united stat
we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand, to avert the fiscal cliff or our republican colleagues could help lead us off that cliff. we hope that's not the case. >> questions? >> if i can ask -- >> i think you were first. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in a sense telling you how it is going over there? you have to count heads with them as well. >> i am not stipulating to any charktization to any information we receive...
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ideological fight that the fiscal cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at the end of the day if there's no action by the congress, all of the bush tax rates are expiring, so the president is going to get what he's wanted in this debate all along, which is that taxes are going up on the rich and-- >> the president's outmaneuvered the republicans from the very beginning on this. >> ed doesn't have to answer that question. >> and kimberly, we're going to give you the last question, before we go to mike emanuel. >> i have a civilized question for mr. henry. >> and civilized-- >> my goodness, bob. >> it sounds worse than the negotiations on the
ideological fight that the fiscal cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what...
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cliff because i believe it's totally overrated. >> you refer it to it as the fiscal curb. why do you think the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out now is that all our taxes, every single income level is going to go up january 1st if no deal is struck. the democrats, i assume, intend to paint that as a republicans have raised all your taxes and blame republicans. so i don't think the democrats see this as a win for the republicans. >> no. i think that's right. i think that's fine and let it happen because ultimately all of these folks that signed the pledge, and some people that sign a pledge, whether you like the pledge or not, i mean, they sort of feel committed to it. now the tacks go up for a short period of time and then they give a tax red
cliff because i believe it's totally overrated. >> you refer it to it as the fiscal curb. why do you think the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out...
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a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen the piece of legislation move forward, the specifics. as you look live, vice president biden walked into the democratic caucus meeting there just beyond where the reporters are standing there by the microphones and said happy new year, happy new year, isn't it great that you all are here tonight. so what about this deal that is shaping up? the house will not be taking it up tonight. they have adjourned for the night and they will reconvene in 2013. actually you noon tomorrow the house will come back. essentially the u.s. will go over the fiscal cliff. but what about this deal that is shaping up and
a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen...
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i'm bret baier in washington covering the fiscal cliff issue as the senate democrats are meeting with vice president biden at this hour trying to finalize a deal. trying to move legislation forward that had been negotiated between vice president biden and senate republican leader, the minority leader mitch mcconnell. whether they can get the votes to pass the senate, whether that can then go to the house tomorrow and possibly get the votes to pass the thousand, those are all questions but one thing is clear, the u.s. is going technically over the fiscal cliff tonight set up at midnight. whether washington can stop the economic disaster that may come before wednesday when the markets would have the first chance to react to if something fell apart, that is really the question that the world is watching for. joining me now on the phone, chris stirewalt. you take on all of this as this back and forth has happened and what we are seeing tonight? >> bret, when we look back at how this started we think about the republicans coming back to town after the election, john boehner coming back and
i'm bret baier in washington covering the fiscal cliff issue as the senate democrats are meeting with vice president biden at this hour trying to finalize a deal. trying to move legislation forward that had been negotiated between vice president biden and senate republican leader, the minority leader mitch mcconnell. whether they can get the votes to pass the senate, whether that can then go to the house tomorrow and possibly get the votes to pass the thousand, those are all questions but one...
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cliff, however, republicans are going to have to acquiesce, we will have some tax hikes, i think probably 750,000 and above i think that's the number, but what republicans are holding back the debt ceiling debate and cutti cutti cutting entitlement programs and they're going to use that later in the year. >> kelly: mark, the final word. >> if angela's prediction sort of come through-- and i hope it does, the republicans and senate negotiate, and republicans and congress will be responsible for the largest tax increst on all americans in modern american history and that would be unfortunate and soon talk about obama tax cuts when we talk about the middle class america. >> kelly: and the 113th congress coming into office in january. and angela and mark, thank you for sharing insights on this tough, tough situation for us. thank you. >> thank you, kelly. >> kelly: thank you. >> to a fox news alert. new details on the deadly plane crash out of russia. police now say that four crew members are dead, and four others have been injured after an airliner landing into one of moscow's international
cliff, however, republicans are going to have to acquiesce, we will have some tax hikes, i think probably 750,000 and above i think that's the number, but what republicans are holding back the debt ceiling debate and cutti cutti cutting entitlement programs and they're going to use that later in the year. >> kelly: mark, the final word. >> if angela's prediction sort of come through-- and i hope it does, the republicans and senate negotiate, and republicans and congress will be...
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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...